Skip to Content

The Colorado shooting

8 posts / 0 new
Last post
Robert
Robert's picture
Administrator
Joined: 12/20/2008
Posts: 938
Points: 54769
The Colorado shooting

I'm seeing quite a bit about the Colorado shootings on television here in China. My Chinese is still not that great so I can't catch much of what is being said but I know that the people I have talked to about it here are shocked by this tragedy. I am heading back to the U.S. in a few days (for the first time in over 2 years) and I am so saddened by this. A movie theater is a place where one should be able to feel relatively safe - a place where you can go to relax and enjoy a good movie. So many people's lives were changed forever last night - whether they were the victims or their families or the people who will have those horrible images running through their heads for the rest of their lives.

I know these kinds of things happen in other places - even in China - where maybe we wouldn't hear about them very much - but what is going on in America? Is this just a sign of the poor economic conditions -- frustrated people doing crazy things? Or is it another symptom of a culture of violence that is promoted by the the video game and movie industry? Or is it a sign of a country that really is heading downhill? I don't know what to say...

Anyway, my prayers do go out to the victims and their families - and to the people who had to witness all of this. In case you haven't read much abou this, here is a good link to look at:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/20/police-14-dead-in-colorado-theater-shooting/

sayjaykay
sayjaykay's picture
Joined: 03/03/2010
Posts: 40
Points: 215
Colorado shootings

I am not a gun fan.  I do not understand the fascination, but I know that this is not the forum for gun ownership or discussion of the constiutution and it's obscure wording.

My heart goes out to the victims and their families.  I truly wish that this type of thing never happened.  But we are all familiar with the analogy of wishing in one hand and .....doing something else in the other.

We are also familiar with the ridiculous argument that, "Guns don't kill people.  People kill people."  Let's amend that to, "Guns don't kill people.  People with guns kill people".

But nothing will change.  Too bad, for all of us.

omeomi
Joined: 07/30/2009
Posts: 35
Points: 195
Colorado shooting

There are seldom clearly defined reasons behind these random kllings. I believe that the culture of violence has a great impact on the younger (defined as under-30) generation and that living in the U.S. right now is very stressful. Having said that, then does that begin to solve the violence? Of course not. Does the banning of firearms solve the violence, I doubt it. It is tragic that in Colorado they had this terrible killing at a movie theater, but there were also hundreds of other theaters throughout the U.S. playing the same movie and no violence occured. Movie theaters should be considered safe and a place to go for entertainment, let us not allow one nut case shooter take another freedom from the rest of us.

Robert
Robert's picture
Administrator
Joined: 12/20/2008
Posts: 938
Points: 54769
Good comment. I also don't

Good comment. I also don't believe that banning firearms would solve violence or that it would have even prevented  this tragedy. This crime was clearly premeditated which means that the killer probably would have done whatever he could to get a gun - legally or illegally.

YueHan
YueHan's picture
Joined: 01/09/2009
Posts: 663
Points: 3156
Millions of Americans with blood on their hands

When I make such a radical statement, it’s not the ordinary American I’m referring to. I’m referring to the 4 million morally corrupt (as far as I am concerned) NRA (National Rifle Association) members and members of the Gun Owners of America who would each have a share in this umpteenth bloody assault on innocent fellow Americans because they all oppose stricter gun control laws. It is no secret to some of us that they have the control over some of the American states as some of their influential members control the politicians of those states. Not the shooting in the head of a Republican congresswoman in 2011 in another massacre could force the politicians to do something about America’s ridiculous gun laws. Not even the Virginia Tech massacre of 32 students in 2007 by that American-born Korean could change their warped thinking.

We all know this was not the first shooting massacre in modern America, and without a shadow of doubt, it’ll not be the last. So, Americans, prepare yourselves for more grief and mourning in future. Every time millions of Americans will mourn their dead, but year after year they’ll repeat it. Sounds so masochistic (and this case, repeatedly self-inflicted agony), doesn’t it?

And don’t blame Obama, because he and the most probable future president of America, Romney, can and would do nothing to change the status quo. Both have strongly voiced their support on stricter gun control in the past, but both have moved away from those positions for reasons not relevant now. The politicians today are being controlled by the financial powers of this world (including those in the arms industry in America and elsewhere) and would not budge. Personal gain and power are too important. But, let me say this, Obama does not have the moral conviction to fight for stricter gun control, because that’ll surely cost him the next election. But likewise, so doesn’t Mitt Romney, because he knows too that’ll cost him the election. So, am sorry to say that the Americans will again vote in another president deprived of moral conviction.

Maybe America should change their slogan “In God we trust” to “God help America”.

Yes, I am angry, Robert, I’m angry that the Americans do this to themselves. When are human compassion going to triumph over their self-interest, their greed, their power struggles, their heartlessness? Maybe they get what they deserve like every nation that get what they deserve when they elect the wrong government into power (like South Africa, for instance). These immensely gruesome events will repeat itself year after year in America. The politicians wouldn’t change it. The Americans in general need a change of heart and then do something about issues of this nature.

Robert, I’m sorry about this tragic event that’s happened this weekend. I can understand how you feel. I’m not American, but rest assured I do grieve in my heart for the American people when innocent Americans lose their lives like this. It was like that during 9/11, Virginia Tech 2007, Tucson 2011, and now again. I may not be regarded as the greatest friend of America, but I do consider myself a friend and believe me, this hurts America’s friends too, because America hurts.

YueHan
YueHan's picture
Joined: 01/09/2009
Posts: 663
Points: 3156
Rethinking gun control

Robert, I’ve initially decided to refrain from commenting as I can’t trust myself when endeavoring to tell about the importance of gun control and how many lives proper laws in this regard (and enforcing those laws, obviously) can save in the long run. I might have bruised too many toes and as we are actually on the same side, I thought it to be wise to keep quiet now. BUT, then I read Eugene Robinson’s write-up about the very same issue today in the Washington Post and I decided to just copy the last few paragraphs of his article to answer any ordinary American (and others) who still today uncomprehensibly believe that gun control wouldn’t work.  By the way, Eugene Robertson was a journalist on the scene of the 2007 Virginia Tech shooting.

This speaks for itself:

“The simple issue is access to weapons and explosives. Among the three guns that Holmes allegedly brought into the movie theater was a Smith & Wesson assault rifle with an oversize, 100-round magazine. This weapon jammed, according to police, leaving Holmes with a shotgun and a pistol. Had the assault rifle worked properly, the toll surely would have been much higher.

An unstable person can walk into a gun shop and buy a weapon designed for deadly combat. No meaningful questions asked. Have a nice day, Mr. Joker.

This is crazy. Minimal gun control — such as prohibiting assault weapons — wouldn’t eliminate these massacres, but it would prevent some and mitigate others. Lives would be saved. Congress should pass an assault weapons ban this morning and the president should sign it tonight.   [Emphasis mine]

Right. Dream on. Instead, we’ll argue endlessly about whether we should focus on the man or the gun, and the effect will be to focus on neither. The next James Holmes is out there, so is his instrument of murder, and we will do nothing to keep them apart. “ 

The link for the full article is here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-mass-shootings-are-a-tragedy-we-dont-want-to-avert/2012/07/23/gJQAghsI5W_story.html

Maybe you’ve read it today too. Sorry then for the duplication. Have you also read about the history of the Glock handguns Europe is selling to the US while those hypocrites have some of the strictest gun control laws in place to protect their own? Not? You’ll be shocked. Here is the link, also in today’s paper: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-lane-europes-role-in-us-gun-culture/2012/07/23/gJQAS8lI5W_story.html?hpid=z2

Robert
Robert's picture
Administrator
Joined: 12/20/2008
Posts: 938
Points: 54769
I don't think any American

I don't think any American needs to be walking around with an assault rifle. I don't believe in banning guns completely -- there are necessary uses for them. But a machine gun? I think we should start by banning those.

Bottom line -- making guns illegal would cut down on some of this -- but someone as crazy and determined as Holmes allegedly is would find a way to get a gun, legal or not.

KathleenP
Joined: 07/08/2012
Posts: 41
Points: 205
Keep in mind that just one

Keep in mind that just one year ago there was a mass shooting in Norway, resulting in 70 deaths. In Australia in 1998 a gunman went on a rampage and killed about 30 people. In a small town in Scotland a gunman shot up a classroom full of little children. This is not a uniquely American phenomenon, and it's got nothing to do with "the downturn in the economy" or even "the wide availability of guns." It's about human evil, period. "Evil" seems to be a politcally incorrect word in this day and age, but 9/11 finally convinced me of something that 12 years of Catholic education couldn't, that evil exists in this world and that it's freely chosen.

When someone chooses to do evil, I do not care about why they chose it. All I care about is what society is going to do to stop this person from doing it again.



Latest Content

Recent comments

Sponsors